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Alan Kay: Doing with Images Makes Symbols (Full Version)

Alan Kay: Doing with Images Makes Symbols (Full Version) on HackerTube: recommended by 8 Hacker News commenters across 8 separate months, 2016–2023.

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A full upload of Alan Kay's 1987 talk, with demos of several Smalltalk-era software systems and ideas about visual, kinesthetic and symbolic reasoning. It includes a Smalltalk program written by a 12-year-old and footage of the Rand tablet.

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HN recommends it as a favourite tech talk full of good ideas from forgotten 1980s software, worth watching in full.

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“The whole talk is well worth watching”
— scroot, May 2018, in “Media for Thinking the Unthinkable (2013)”

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10 Hacker News comments link this video. Each one links back to its thread.

theodpHNOct 2023Strongly recommends

Dang, Alan Kay's old talks are so amazing. Check out this Smalltalk program written in 1975 by a 12-year-old girl. ▶ this video

in “Alan Kay: Doing with Images Makes Symbols [video]” · View on HN

scrootMay 2018Strongly recommends

> Visualizations are great for shared intuition, but it should only be used at the end of a long personal struggle which should involve hours upon hours of undistracted effort, preferably involving something tactile like a pen and pencil. There is a classic Alan Kay talk that touches on this very issue, called "Doing With Images Makes Symbols." It discusses what the true power of HCI really is: that complex ideas (or even "unthinkable" ones) can be expressed via HCI using some combination of visual, kinesthetic, and symbolic reasoning. The whole talk is well worth watching, but here is the part I feel is most relevant for Victor's point: ▶ this video

in “Media for Thinking the Unthinkable (2013)” · View on HN

agumonkeyAug 2017Strongly recommends

I'm already trying hard not to fall into full alankayism [1] and this only reinforces my view. Jobs said that many people in companies are clueless... [1] for people that never watched his talk where he demonstrates how pretty old and forgotten software can be, enjoy this fully ▶ this video

in “Concrete-free washing machines are lighter to transport, just as good in a spin” · View on HN

cconroyOct 2016Strongly recommends

Doing with Images Makes Symbols, Alan Kay. ▶ this video The title says it all. It's really a summary of several software systems with good ideas abound. I believe all the software is 80s or prior. Edit: I also forgot to mention some psychology and math.

in “Ask HN: What's your favorite tech talk?” · View on HN

artem247Nov 2020Recommends

> (see also Alan Kay's vision of software inspired by biological cells and systems – lots of talk, no non-trivial proofs of concept). I just wanted to say that actually Kay's vision was implemented in something very non-trivial, both on the hardware side - Alto, and the Smalltalk operating system. They were used by real people and exhibited lots of traits that this article talks about. And some of their ideas were hugely influential in mainstream computing. I love the demo of one of the Smalltalk programs in this talk by Alan Kay [0], starts at around 40:30 [0] - ▶ this video

in “Programs are a prison: Rethinking the building blocks of computing interfaces” · View on HN

e12eSep 2018Recommends

Maybe these are mostly too new, or you have different (more practical, hands on?) definition of tech-talk - but from a quick look the only speakers I expected - and found - were Sandi Mets and Rob Pike. If it's practical, I'm surprised not to see the js "wat" lightning talk (which I now can't seem to find...). If it's more general "best of", I'd expect something like Guy Steele "growing a language" : [link] Douglas Engelbart "the mother of all demos": [link] Alan Kay "doing with images makes symbols": ▶ this video Or, if that's too long, the much more condensed ted talk: "a powerful idea about teaching ideas": [link] (Maybe that's not a "tech talk"?) Rich Hickey "simple made easy" : [link] To name a few of the top of my head.

in “Show HN: TechYaks – Best of 50k tech talks ranked by confidence intervals” · View on HN

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jdale27Apr 2018Recommends

I was going to mention Growing a Language, but since it's already been posted, here is Alan Kay's "Doing with Images Makes Symbols": ▶ this video .

in “Ask HN: What is your favourite tech talk?” · View on HN

skadamatDec 2017Recommends

So many things I could say about this, but I"ll let Alan Kay speak for me - ▶ this video Alan talks about how ideas in Calculus could be manifested from an early age and a richness in understanding built up as they aged up: - at very young ages, kids really respond well through "doing" / the enactive channel. When asked to draw a circle, kids in Papert's group would first emulate what a LOGO turtle would do by rotating their body in a circle (making tiny increments in x and y). - as they got a bit older, the visual / iconic channel was more developed and they could understand the abstraction of a circle on pencil/paper and how the concepts carried over there - closer to early teens, symbols were much easier to grasp and relate to, etc. With this context in mind, there have been some cool efforts to mix the second and third channels I just mentioned to communicate advanced math concepts. Vi Hart and Grant Sanderson's youtube channels come to mind. Here are my favorite videos by Grant: - "What does it feel like to invent math": [link] - On the visual intuition behind a hard problem on the Putnam exam - "The hardest problem on the hardest test": [link] - From vectors to matrices to vector spaces to higher-level ideas like the link between linear algebra and calculus: "Essence of linear algebra" series: [link] What I especially like about Grant's videos, is that he often walks through what a mathematician would do, the questions she would ask, etc.

in “Communicating Advanced Mathematics to Kids” · View on HN

darrickwOct 2023Cites it

You can find a higher quality version of this beginning around the 24:20 mark of the video at the link below. ▶ this video

in “Alan Kay shows the Rand tablet [video]” · View on HN

DonHopkinsNov 2021Cites it

That was probably around 1982-1984, when Alan Kay was Chief Scientist at Atari, and set up Atari Cambridge Research Lab. Atari Cambridge Research- part 1 - Cynthia Solomon: [link] >This is a demonstration of some of the works in progress from July 1982 to April, 1984. From learning Logo, a look at our work at introducing people to computers, to music with some of our futuristic instruments. We'll take you on a tour of our lab. Director or Research, Cynthia Solomon. >I'm Cynthia Solomon. You're about to see some of the research that has been going on at the Atari Cambridge Research Laboratory. I've been its director since we started in 1982. The staff consisted of 22 full time research and support people, as well as 10 consultants. >Our research has been motivated by our past experiences in the Logo Group at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, where we worked with Seymour Papert and Marvin Minsky. >We wanted to get Logo out of the laboratory and into the world. We wanted to share it, and share its potential as a powerful too for thinking. And so before we joined Atari, many of us were part of the development team at Logo Computer Systems, where we designed, implemented, and documented Apple Logo. >When we finished Apple Logo, I left Logo Computer Systems. I wanted to get back to doing research. I contacted Alan Kay, who was Chief Scientist at Atari, and it turned out he was interested in setting up a research laboratory in Cambridge, near MIT. >He was familiar with our

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