[Linux.conf.au 2013] - The real story behind Wayland and X on HackerTube: recommended by 2 Hacker News commenters across 2 separate months, 2016–2023.
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A linux.conf.au 2013 talk by a Wayland developer who previously worked on X, telling the history of X and why Wayland was created. It covers X's hardware abstraction and architecture and why they became problematic for modern graphics.
Whenever Wayland versus X comes up, HN points to this talk as the authoritative explanation from an X maintainer of why X was replaced.
“a great presentation by one of the guys behind wayland, who worked on X a lot before”
6 Hacker News comments link this video. Each one links back to its thread.
Please have a look at an X maintainers very own presentation: ▶ this video Wayland is not a middle man as it is the compositor itself as well - it does the minimal amount of work necessary to compose the desktop. X on the other hand just transfers messages between clients and the compositor without doing any actual work (x render functions are almost never used by modern applications)
in “Less Than 10% of Firefox Users on Linux Are Running Wayland” · View on HN
I tried to give a hint about the basic reason of trying to get out from under the weight of a huge code base that had become old and crufty while the very architecture it was designed around was becoming moot since things were shifting to client side rendering already. Couldn't find a good article on short notice, but there's a decent video from back in 2013 about it. ▶ this video
in “Guide: Full Wayland Setup for Linux” · View on HN
Here you are: ▶ this video It’s a great presentation by one of the guys behind wayland, who worked on X a lot before. Basically, X has a fundamentally misaligned abstraction of the underlying hardware - which is expected based on its age. When used with a compositor, it is basically a middle-man with no function whatsoever. So Wayland decided to cut out the middle man and pass events directly between client and compositor. But please watch the video, I think it will answer all your questions. Also, it’s not like X will be totally deprecated, XWayland is an API implementation of it that will be supported forever.
in “Guide: Full Wayland Setup for Linux” · View on HN
Here's a decade-old talk on Wayland ▶ this video Wayland has been the default on Fedora and Arch w/ GNOME since around 2018, 5 years ago. It became the default on Debian w/ GNOME in 2019, 4 years ago. So yes, long time coming. KDE took longer but it's now finally ready.
in “Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 Plans for Wayland and Xorg Server” · View on HN
One of the arguments made by the Wayland spec folks (many of whom were involved in Xorg development for many years) is that the Xorg spec is also a major cause of problems with modern Linux graphics[1]. [1]: ▶ this video
in “Are We Wayland Yet?” · View on HN
> However it's the lack of network transparency which stops me from using Wayland in the foreseeable future. X is not network transparent, and hasn't been for a long time. ▶ this video
in “Fedora 25: With Wayland, Linux has never been easier (or more handsome)” · View on HN