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Municipal Violations: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Municipal Violations: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) on HackerTube: recommended by 5 Hacker News commenters across 4 separate months, 2015–2020.

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John Oliver's Last Week Tonight segment on municipal violations. It shows how small fines and fees escalate for people who cannot pay and how private probation and ticket revenue can ruin lives.

Why Hacker News recommends it

HN commenters point to it as a clear account of how minor infractions punish the poor.

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“Even more relevant is his piece on municipal violations and how they can unfairly steamroll the poor with escalating fees.”
— kevin_thibedeau, Jan 2016, in ““No Cost” License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Debt Collectors”

What HN commenters said

10 Hacker News comments link this video. Each one links back to its thread.

SuoDuanDaoJun 2020Recommends

Well, I can give you a simple example. Where I grew up, you'd hear a gunshot every so often. No one paid it any mind - we knew it was the neighbors hunting out of season. Technically a crime. But we all knew they and their children needed the meat. If everyone did it, the deer population would collapse and no one could hunt effectively even in-season. If someone had called a wildlife officer they could have certainly made the trek down. But no one would think to call the wildlife officers on them, because we knew it would lead to their children going hungry. I think the thing people from rich neighbourhoods miss about that sort of thing is that when they hear stories of that nature [1], people's children going hungry over a minor infraction is seen as a failure of empathy on the constabulary's part. It's not. It's a failure of the law, and the constabulary's job is to uphold the law, not play social worker to people who break it. Hence our community's collective judgement that it was in everyone's best interest if the wildlife officer never found out about our neighbor's poaching activities. [1] Joe Oliver has a great rant about a similar situation, lest readers think this only works in rural settings: ▶ this video

in “My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works” · View on HN

ClubberMar 2017Recommends

>How much can the government be stealing from you if you have no money? John Oliver did a good breakdown of how municipalities do pretty nasty things when you can't pay your tickets. ▶ this video

in “A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows” · View on HN

kevin_thibedeauJan 2016Recommends

Even more relevant is his piece on municipal violations and how they can unfairly steamroll the poor with escalating fees. ▶ this video

in ““No Cost” License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Debt Collectors” · View on HN

bsimpsonOct 2015Recommends

Here's the John Oliver version of the same story: ▶ this video (Also, incognito mode is your friend when cookies conspire against you.)

in “A debtors’ prison in Mississippi” · View on HN

utefan001Oct 2015Recommends

This is so sad. This has got to stop. (repost from below) bsimpson 2 hours ago Here's the John Oliver version of the same story: ▶ this video

in “A debtors’ prison in Mississippi” · View on HN

colandermanJan 2018Cites it

What disingenuous hyperbole. The infractions for which you can use these cards result in fines, not jail time; failure to pay these fines typically results in wage garnishment, not jail time: [link] (Jailing people for inability to pay fines/be garnished is a moral issue, about which there's been lots of rumbling lately: ▶ this video )

in ““Get Out of Jail Free” Cards in New York” · View on HN

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sillysaurus3Nov 2017Cites it

Your comment can be summed up as "Just have money." If you can't afford health insurance, you can't make sure you're covered. The only option is to not have it and to go to the ER whenever there are problems. Cities find ways of ticketing you. They make $20M/yr from parking violations. If that revenue drops, they'll change the rules until it goes up again. ▶ this video For example, there are tow traps that don't look anything like tow zones. I've seen at least five cars fall into it, myself included. The city won't change it, and you can't fight it. Another example: Street cleaning. It's a euphemism for "Move your car or we'll ticket you." No one shows up to clean the streets, ever, but they're there at 8AM to write you a ticket. When you're forced to park on the street, you can't get away from this. And the notifications for street cleaning often appear between midnight at 8AM, meaning you can end up late to work or with a $150 ticket if you don't pay rapt attention every day.

in “Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers” · View on HN

themartoranaOct 2015Cites it

At this point, anyone "joining the call" are simply attempting to hop onto the right side of history. This problem is so egregious that taking any other position is simply absurd. Or just f-ing evil. [0] [0] ▶ this video Edit: what, did I piss off some people that like imprisoning an unbelievably disproportionate percentage of citizens, especially minorities, for crimes as mundane as an unpaid parking ticket? Well, you do you, I guess...

in “Police Leaders Join Call to Cut Prison Rosters” · View on HN

justifierOct 2015Cites it

fairness is a horrendous choice of words, but the one this article chose to use there are many unfair side effects of current economics look at taxes.. recently i read a major corporate entity paid 4k pounds in taxes in 2014(o). The top comment says: TIL our small UK startup pays 10-20x more corp tax .. Doing things honestly and by the book is expensive in both money terms and time terms (paying accountants) Big corps .. make me feel like a fool. though these corps are seen as equals in buraecratic lines, the expectations and avenues of utilising those regulations seems unfairly balanced or look at fines.. if i get a parking ticket(i) for 100$, i may be unable to pay it right away with my zero savings and my 12k/yr income, someone making 80k+ a year will just pay the 100$ grievance and be done with it i will have to start budgeting myself to make enough to pay the 100$ fine, but it will take time with bimonthly paychecks and in that time i will be punished with late fees only increasing the financial burden and time needed to accrue the funds even if trying to do the right thing people punished further simply for economic circumstance so though the two violators are seen as equal, the expectations and avenues of how to rectify the violations seems unfairly balanced people making less end up paying more for the same violation due to the bureaucracy maintaining the violations or i could use a payday loan(ii), another damning option these are only two examples of areas where a c

in “People Want Fairness, Not Economic Equality” · View on HN

cgearhartMar 2015Cites it

That's the problem though -- there is not equality is possibilities. Analysis [1] of a study from the Pew Research Center on economic mobility [2] found that you are 10x more likely to be in the top 20% if you're born there than if you're born in the bottom 20%. Someone born in the top 20% who doesn't go to college is still 2.5x more likely to have an income in the top 20% as an adult than someone from the bottom 20% who does go to college. Moreover, it's worsened because life is more expensive in subtle ways as you move down the income bracket. [3] Even municipal fines -- as emphasized by John Oliver recently -- contribute to the problem. [1] [link] [2] [link] [3] [link] [4] ▶ this video

in “Economic Inequality: It’s Far Worse Than You Think” · View on HN

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