The Intense 8 Hour Hunt | Attenborough Life of Mammals | BBC Earth on HackerTube: recommended by 6 Hacker News commenters across 6 separate months, 2010–2024.
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A clip from Attenborough's Life of Mammals following a San tribesman in the Kalahari on an eight-hour persistence hunt, running down a kudu through harsh heat. It shows tracking, endurance running and the hunter's reaction after the kill.
HN returns to it as the canonical footage of persistence hunting in threads about human endurance running and evolution.
“It's a beautiful video, and the way the hunter reacts after the kill is very moving.”
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▶ this video This is a video of human hunters (Koi San, an African ethnic group that has been pushed to extinction over the last millennia by the Bantu tribes) chasing down a kudu antelope. Antelope are great runners, but they can't cool themselves as efficiently as humans. It's a beautiful video, and the way the hunter reacts after the kill is very moving.
in “The humans who outrun horses” · View on HN
Interesting video here of one of the San people running down a Kudu which collapses from exhaustion after an 8 hour chase: ▶ this video . Hard to compare this to Sorokin because the hunter is running in veld, not on a road, and has far less access to refueling points. Also, if he fails to track the prey down on day one, he would probably have a go again on day two, maybe even day three. Interesting claims too, that as an upright runner which sweats from glands all over his body, and as a creature capable of carrying water, man may have had persistence advantages over creatures with less ability to cool themselves and which run on four legs - a less energy efficient mode of running according to Attenborough.
in “Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run” · View on HN
There's the loci method for memorization: The method of loci (loci being Latin for "places") is a method of memory enhancement which uses visualizations with the use of spatial memory, familiar information about one's environment, to quickly and efficiently recall information. The method of loci is also known as the memory journey, memory palace, or mind palace technique. Many memory contest champions claim to use this technique to recall faces, digits, and lists of words. These champions' successes have little to do with brain structure or intelligence, but more to do with using spatial memory and the use of the method of loci. [link] Correlations have been found between memory and the playing of 3D video games, which also utilize our spatial memory. (Though wandering around in a video game is probably a subpar surrogate for doing the same thing in meatspace.) [link] I also recommend this BBC video of a persistence hunter tracking and running down a Kudu, just as an illustration of how walking/running, language/tracking, spatial memory, and planning/creativity are all tied together as a system that was once necessary for our survival: ▶ this video
in “Why Walking Helps Us Think (2014)” · View on HN
Either that -- or our perception of morality is wrong. Maybe it's okay to eat animals as long as we treat them well. After all if they live a long happy and decently full life that's what really counts right? I think this video really gives a good idea of how humanity used to think of hunting and eating animals: ▶ this video We've really lost touch with our empathy for other creatures In the old days people would respect the animal, hug it after killing it... on some level I think animals understand that their own death is a part of life.
in “Bees can train each other to use tools” · View on HN
Check this remarkable video on persistence hunting in the kalahari - a hunter literally chases a buck until it's completely exhausted. ▶ this video
in “Why humans can outrun horses but can’t jump higher than cats.” · View on HN
The San Bushmen in the Kalahari Desert still do this today. This BBC clip on persistence hunting (narrated by David Attenborough!) is worth a watch; their endurance is absolutely incredible: ▶ this video
in “Belgian man completes 365 marathons in 365 consecutive days” · View on HN
I first became aware of persistence hunting, by seeing this BBC Earth documentary[0], in which three men track and hunt an Kudu for 8 hours. [0]: ▶ this video
in “Trying for twelve years to chase down and catch an antelope by foot [audio]” · View on HN
Here's an old (14yo!) BBC Earth documentary about it: > Human beings are a particular type of mammal. In this compelling clip, we see a tribesman runner pursue his prey through the most harsh conditions in a gruelling eight hour chase. ▶ this video 8 hours of something more akin to trail running than marathon, interspersed with game tracking. I wouldn't describe the running parts as "sprinting" though.
in “Born to run? Endurance running may have evolved to help humans chase down prey” · View on HN
▶ this video I think you're misunderstanding how endurance hunting works. There is no land-dweller on Earth that can outpace a fit, prepared human in a hot, dry environment indefinitely. Not even a horse; Google it. We're slow in the sprint, but we're monsters of endurance. (By "fit" I mean "makes a living this way," not "jogs and hits the gym regularly.")
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If you watch the attenborough documentary linked above it has some clear examples. "The hunters have no tracks at this point and so must imagine the path the Kudu has taken". And later, "The tracks have disappeared again. He imagines being in the mind of the Kudu to deduce the direction it must have fled". There's also the case that tracks alone need a lot of intelligence to process. "Here they can see the Kudu were running by the spacing of the tracks and the bull is isolated and taking a different track". ▶ this video
in “For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off from All Human Contact (2013)” · View on HN
One of the more reasonable theories about why Neanderthals went extinct was due to Homo Erectus and then Homo Sapiens having much more plentiful and common access to protein. The book Born to Run mentions Endurance Hunting[1] where tribes literally run down game animals such as elk or gazelles until they overheat as proof of this. There are tribes that . Virtually no other mammal on the planet can sweat while on the move. Big dogs and cats have to stop and pant or find shade to sweat and cool down. If they don't, they'll overheat and die. There are evil still tribes[2] that do this today. [1] [link] [2] ▶ this video
in “The Calorie Paradox of Raw Veganism (1999)” · View on HN
I think that there's a common thread that underlies the development of intelligence in both humans and Portia spiders. We both evolved in an environment where we were at a sensory and physical disadvantage to our prey. We both relied more on understanding the behavior of our prey in order to hunt. In the case of early humans, we adopted a style of hunting known as persistence hunting. Persistence hunting ( [link] )is a general hunting strategy in which a hunter chases their prey over a very long distance(15-30 miles). Eventually the prey becomes weak and succumbs to exhaustion. On its own, that's not very special -- both dogs and hyenas adopt a very similar hunting strategy. The key difference is that humans lack the extremely sensitive sensory abilities that are used by other persistence hunters. In the absence of such senses, early hominids had to predict where prey would go and accurately pursue them over very long distances based on very small amounts of visual evidence. In short, early hominids hunted by simulating the minds of their prey. If you look at ▶ this video (a documentary on persistence hunting), you can watch some Kudu tribesmen literally simulating where an antelope will go. It certainly seems to me like lucking into an evolutionary niche where you get caloric benefits that are directly linked to how well you can simulate the fairly-complicated minds of your prey is pretty much a recipe for extreme selective pressure in favor of general intelligence. The story is
in “Do Portia Spiders Have a Mind? (2006)” · View on HN
I had to continue: > Work before farming resembles what the rich do on holiday today. The rich spend their holidays intimidating lions of their own kill [link] or running for 8 hours to drive a Kudo to having a heart attack ▶ this video >Subsistence farmers worked far longer hours than their ancestors. They died younger and lived more miserable lives. The sole upside was that farming allowed the same plot of land to feed many more people. The author misses the upside of not worrying about getting eaten by a lion or trampled by a wildebeest.
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I have not come across the "without sleep" thing before and the Wikipedia link does not seem to mention it. The Wikipedia persistence hunting is to jog after them under the midday sun until the prey overheats. That stuff you can see on youtube - ▶ this video
in “They're Made out of Meat” · View on HN
Whoever is interested, here are two very good academic articles about persistent hunting (subscription required): [link] [link] Also, here is a video of a modern persistent hunter ▶ this video
in “For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact” · View on HN
"We’re the tortoises of the animal kingdom" ... That might be the deepest thing I've ever read. Also, here's Attenborough narrating this article ▶ this video
in “Humans hot, sweaty, natural-born runners” · View on HN
"In particular, persistence hunting (the form of hunting that relied on long distance running)" [link] Here it is in action ▶ this video
in “Humans hot, sweaty, natural-born runners” · View on HN
> I am inclined to think we're built to go for a walk to a hunting ground, sprint and throw an arrow. The adaption to bipedalism actually reduced our sprinting capabilities and increased our endurance. It's likely that we used our superior endurance to chase down our prey over long distances far before we had arrows. See ▶ this video
in “Ask HN: What are the changes you made in your life and never look back?” · View on HN
I remember watching this David Attenborough program where he was talking about the hunting techniques of some bushmen in Africa. They did a close-up shot of their feet while out on a hunt and they were wearing regular track shoes: ▶ this video I think they might have been Adidas
in “Improve your walking technique” · View on HN
If you are into hunting, I think you should make things fair for both sides. Leave the gun at home and try something like this: ▶ this video
in “A Vegan No More” · View on HN