The Lottery: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
The Lottery: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) on HackerTube: recommended by 6 Hacker News commenters across 6 separate months, 2014–2023.
John Oliver's Last Week Tonight segment on state lotteries. It argues that the claim that lotteries fund education is misleading, because the money is fungible and often diverted to general funds.
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kkielhofnerMar 2023Recommends
The old saying "money is the root of all evil" often does generally apply and lotteries are an excellent example of state-sponsored financial ruin. I especially like the John Oliver pieces[0][1] on that one. I see it everyday - video poker "cafes" and here in Wisconsin the cultural acceptance and actual embrace of weird things like "pull tabs" and "dice games". Las Vegas is an entire city that has been built on financial ruin. But we can simultaneously criticize, express concern, and work towards fixing multiple issues at the same time. [0] - ▶ this video [1] - [link]
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edgartaorAug 2017Recommends
>some states they claim to use lottery proceeding to improve math education About that, this video is worth watching. No that is 100% true, but good enough to start a conversation. ▶ this video
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studentrobOct 2015Recommends
In some domains, even restricted funds are fungible. Check out John Oliver's video on state lotteries: ▶ this video
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AaronFrielSep 2015Recommends
This is good news and bad news. The funding for schools will be a boon to education in the state, and that's certainly not bad. However, I expect will almost certainly lead to decreased education funding from other revenue sources, and ultimately place education footing on less solid ground for years to come. It was brilliant PR move to earmark the tax revenue for education, there's no doubt about that. It's very hard to argue with such things, and many other states have opted to dedicate certain "sin taxes" to select public works. For example, earmarking some funds for veterans affairs out of state lottery tickets as my state (Iowa) does, or education as many more states do. On the surface, this seems like a brilliant way to justify revenue collection for what many citizens would consider unseemly or undignified. It is an effective sales pitch to say to a voter, "You may disagree with marijuana legalization, but it will bring in $50 million dollars to state schools." The problem is that budgets will adjust to incorporate this earmark for future years. That is, education budgets are likely to reflect this revenue for future years. That's precisely what has happened in so many states where state lottery revenues have been earmarked for education and other noble causes. John Oliver's Last Week Tonight had an excellent take on a similar topic: the "sin tax" of state lottery tickets. See here: ▶ this video It is wonderful that marijuana taxes are going to a good cause. It is dangerous
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joesmoMay 2015Recommends
I was actually thinking outside of slots. A lot of gambling practices are still illegal like sports betting in most of America. Such illegal gambling often leads to some sort of organized crime around providing loans and the actual gambling service itself. But I was also thinking of alcohol prohibition in the 1920's and the current drug prohibition. The black markets that these events created are not that dissimilar from the one around gambling and the core cause is the same. I do think that eliminating the profit incentive is something that could work. The profit from gambling is cited as a redeeming quality, however, as a reason for legalized gambling to exist. The overwhelming idea, at least in the US, is that if people are going to have a vice (or fun, depending on your perspective), their activities should be taxed so that others (corporations and the government mainly) can profit from them. Perhaps if the money actually went to fund schools and other things that benefit society, I could get behind this viewpoint, but regardless of the claims of governments that have legal gambling, it doesn't. This John Oliver segment about it is pretty interesting: ▶ this video
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jab2014Mar 2015Recommends
The practices of the Oregon lottery seem wrong to me. Government should be in the business of helping people and providing uncorrupted resources and facts, not marketing dreams and hope to people while taking their money hand over fist. John Oliver just did a good segment about this too ▶ this video
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shaftwayDec 2020Cites it
In most of the US lottery proceeds go to schools. Not sure about other areas. Of course, the fallacy here is that dollars in budgets are fungible, and when lotteries are established municipalities often redirect the same number of dollars away from the schools into whatever pork barrel projects they like. That way you have your cake (technically the lottery money does fund schools) and can eat it too (in reality it funds other stuff under the table). ▶ this video
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jjxwMar 2016Cites it
The reasoning behind why lotteries can be damaging to the socioeconomically disadvantaged is similar to that of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs. It offers an escape and "hope", as some have put it for the lottery, but there is almost an infinitesimally small chance that something good will come out of it. The problem with this is not people playing the lottery in general (even if it is objectively throwing away money). I've even bought into the office pool a few times more as "social insurance" than anything else. The problem IS that the lottery takes advantage of those who need that marginal dollar the most under the pretense of funding state education, which, according to John Oliver, doesn't even seem to be true[1]. [1] ▶ this video
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studentrobOct 2015Cites it
I think we are in agreement this is all legal, and are just disagreeing about the meaning of 'restricted'. Your usage is in legal terms, whereas I'm talking about what was advertised. > The didn't just decide to spend specific dollars on one cause that had been collected under a guise of a different cause. Actually, in the case of the lottery, there are examples of this. See the part at 12:24 - ▶ this video Perhaps one can say it was legal and not restricted money. Regardless, it is definitely odd how the state advertises that lottery money goes to education, and meanwhile corporate tax money disappears from the education budget. The point is not legality, it is ethics.
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JumpCrisscrossSep 2015Cites it
John Oliver had a segment on the lottery [1]. It may be difficult to wean states off lottery income in the short-term. A ban - or severe limitations - on their advertising would be a good, realistic first step. [1] ▶ this video
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evanmoranAug 2015Cites it
I don't have the information on traffic fees, but there's strong evidence that lottery fees are supposed to go to charity but get put in general state funds instead: ▶ this video
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jimbokunJun 2015Cites it
Lotteries are generally a corrupt enterprise to begin with, so the moral scales probably lean toward the side of the MIT students. ▶ this video
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scotty79Dec 2014Cites it
> He's empowering others to destroy their lives, which very often leads to more crime as addicts will steal or even kill for their next fix. What do you think about state organized lotteries then? ▶ this video
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