The US Has More Tribes Than the World Has Countries on HackerTube: recommended by 4 Hacker News commenters across 4 separate months, 2020–2026.
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CGP Grey explains why "Indian" is often preferred over "Native American" in the United States, especially near reservations, and how many tribes exist in the US. He draws on conversations with people who identify as Indian.
Cited again and again in terminology debates as a convincing source that many American Indians prefer the term Indian.
“CGP Grey made a very convincing video on the argument that at least in the US, unexpectedly enough, "Indian" is probably the most appropriate term”
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CGP Grey made a very convincing video on the argument that at least in the US, unexpectedly enough, "Indian" is probably the most appropriate term to use for Native Americans for a multitude of reasons: ▶ this video
in “How the Native American population changed since the last census” · View on HN
I'd be a bit reluctant to quickly judge someone's exposure to the various terminology around this topic. CGP Grey has a good video on the terminology as used in the US [0]. From the video: " Talking to people over the last [sigh] 5 years revealed a strong correlation: the closer a person had ever been to a reservation, the more likely they would be to use the word 'indian'. The farther, the more likely they would be to use the word 'Native American'. " and also "At the time of writing [this video/2019], 'Indian' is used by Indians on Indian reservations to describe themselves" ▶ this video
in “Maine's Constitution Has Unprintable Sections” · View on HN
Tl;Dr: it's tricky. and because it's not that simple. I don't know your background and maybe you're from a first nation or tribe, but there isn't a common agreement between the populations of existing tribes and nations on what is offensive or incorrect. This isn't to say that any term is acceptable, but Indians, however incorrectly labeled by a colonizing group a few hundred years ago, is literally how some choose to identify themselves here in North America. I say this as someone from India and event there, there isn't a common agreement or knowledge to arrive at an "inoffensive" term for folks who live here. Most just use the descriptor left by the British and say "Red Indians" with no malice implied. this was interesting to watch - ▶ this video
in “Indian Air Force inducts natively developed light combat helicopter ‘Prachanda’” · View on HN
Many of the first people of what is now known by many as the United States prefer the label of "Indian" over the label "Native Americans". A very excellent (if also very "edutainment") exploration of labels and the label of "Indian", based on conversation with people who identify as "Indians", can be viewed here: ▶ this video
in “The Lost Art of Growing Blueberries with Fire” · View on HN
CGP Grey argues this same point: not only is Indian the legally correct term, but it’s the correct term in general. ▶ this video
in “Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Administration Says” · View on HN
> gained racist connotations This passive phrasing implies a kind of universal consensus or collective decision-making process that the word has officially changed connotation. If this were the case, it would not be such a problem. What happens in practice is that a small minority of people decide that a certain word has bad connotations. These people decide that it no longer matters what the previous connotation was, nor the speaker's intention in uttering it, it is now off-limits and subject to correction when used. People pressure others to conform, in varying degrees of politeness -- anything from a well-intentioned and friendly FYI to a public and aggressive dressing down -- and therefore the stigma surrounding the word spreads. It's hard to believe that this terminology treadmill genuinely helps anyone, as people are perfectly capable of divining intent when they really want to (nobody is accusing the NAACP of favoring discrimination and segregation). Add to this that the favored terms of the treadmill creators don't necessarily even reflect what the groups in question actually want. Indigenous Americans generally prefer being called Indian, not Native American (CGP Grey made a whole video about this: ▶ this video ). So that momentary pause you feel when you almost say "Indian" and then correct it to "Native American", who is that actually serving? It's not the people in question. It's a different set of people, a set of people who have gained the cultural power to stigmatiz
in “The Origins of Wokeness” · View on HN
I don't understand why it is wrong for people to use terms like "the Americas" or "indigenous cultures". It seems not unreasonable for Western people to use Western terms first coined in Western languages. Does the author walk around referring to Japan as Nihon? Any denial of evidence or lack of respect for indigenous cultures is a separate issue, of course. But I don't think that services necessarily derives from the language. It feels like the author is refusing to choose their battles. Ninja EDIT: the YouTube channel CPG Grey has a video about the term "Indian" vs "Native American" and the conclusion seems to be that Indian is preferred by most people on modern day reservations, despite the dubious origins of the term: ▶ this video
in “Indigenous People Have Been Here Forever. Why Won’t Archeologists Believe It?” · View on HN
> "The name Eskimo is considered derogatory because it was given by non-Inuit people and was said to mean 'eater of raw meat." is a historical and sociological context. It is not universal or unimpeachable context, it carries a certain set of assumptions that may or may not be true: - "is considered derogatory" suggests that everyone (or nearly everyone) considers this offensive, when in fact some people still call themselves Eskimo. To suggest that "Eskimo" is always or usually derogatory is therefore non-inclusive of people who use the word to describe themselves. - The theory that Eskimo means "eater of raw meat" has been called into question; an alternative theory is that it derived from the French word esquimaux , meaning one who nets snowshoes. To circulate the arguably more offensive association of the word may itself be reinforcing untrue and possibly offensive connotations of a word that some people prefer. Any attempt to present one particular interpretation of a word as universal truth, or one framing as the true "context", is often overly reductionist and prescriptive, even non-inclusive. Another great example of this: indigenous people in the USA generally prefer the term "Indian" ( ▶ this video ), and yet polite American society will pressure you to say Native American instead. Something tells me that this feature in Docs will not be suggesting that you change "Native American" to "Indian", despite the fact that the people themselves often prefer it.
in “Google Docs will “warn you away from inappropriate words”” · View on HN
Related: Referring to American Indians as 'Native Americans', which is often seen as over-inclusive by American Indians themselves since it implies you're talking about Natives to the entire North and South America. While not the worst thing, when you are specifically talking about the native tribes the United States pushed out and forcibly moved to reservations, the term 'Indian' is codified in law[0] and is what the group themselves embraced as their identity so that, as a whole, they could bargain with the United States government to obtain compensation for the tragedies endured. ▶ this video 0: [link]
in “A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech” · View on HN
Not always, for example, Native American on reservations use the term Indian to refer to themselves, but outside this is becoming impolite in favour of Native American (including among some but not all Native Americans)[1][2] See also the "Spastics Society", "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People", modern use of the n-word among black people, the use of "Negro" in "I have a Dream". Plenty of cases where a word in use by the group themselves becomes considered the impolite word. [1]: ▶ this video [2]: [link]
in “Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab” · View on HN
> The attitude that your comment reflects crops up a lot in relation to, for example, the Washington Redskins naming controversy. Folks who like the current name are always bringing up a couple of examples of Native Americans who say they “don’t care” about the name, and claiming that it’s really only white liberals who are offended; meanwhile, in my experience, the large majority of Natives actually do care very much, and are upset that a racial slur used for their ethnicity is being used as the name of a sports team. I found this comment rather funny, because if CGP Grey is correct [0] the preferred term by American Indians is "American Indian", NOT "Native American". So you're claiming knowledge of the general opinion of a group, while not using the group's preferred name for themselves. 0: ▶ this video
in “Wikimedia enacts new standards to address harassment and promote inclusivity” · View on HN
> I find it hard to believe that you actually think this is why every single indigenous person is asking for the acknowledgement. A large part of it is that in the US (which is where this professor is located), the preferred nomenclature is "American Indian" or "Native American". (According to CGP Grey [0], the closer you get to a reservation, the more likely it is that "American Indian" or just "Indian" is the preferred term) Either way, "Indigenous Peoples" seems to be more of a Canadian or Australian thing, and I've never seen it used to refer to people in the states. This would imply that the request isn't actually coming from the tribes in question. And IMO it would be unreasonable to include for the same reason that a discussion of set theory would be inappropriate in a history course covering the "New World" in the 1400s, even ignoring the fact that the term is wrong. 0: ▶ this video
in “Demoted and Placed on Probation” · View on HN